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Some Doctor Who Season 2 shallow thoughts

Regarding episodes "The Idiot Lantern" and "The Impossible Planet"/"The Satan Pit"...

"Idiot Lantern"--Doctor with '50s hair! So cute. That's all I have to say, really.

The two-part Satan Planet story chilled me, in the way that good old traditional sci-fi about a tiny band of humans stranded in a horrifying place on the edge of a black hole where the Devil is coming to life in everything around them often can. And what further proof do we need that The Doctor = Courage? Faced with a freaking gigantic Satan Balrog, he simply treats it like any other life form he meets, and reasons with it. (Or at it, anyway.)

Now, regarding this Rose/Doctor sorta-romance they have going on: Clearly he's conflicted about the idea; Me Eternal, You Earthling, etc. He seems to feel comfortable treating her as a student and friend, but gets all awkward (adorably, but painfully) when it comes to the ubercrush she oh-so-clearly has on him.

Therefore, were we really meant to think that when he said before potentially dying, "Tell Rose ...Oh, she knows," that the completed thought was "Tell Rose I love her"? Because, really, I'm not so sure she does know that, especially after the excruciating moment where she tried to suggest settling down with the same mortgage and he averted his eyes and cut her off with "Anyway". Ouch. Guess Doctor = Courage except where possible girlfriends are concerned.

So maybe the completed thought was a more Doctor-ish spiel about going forth and living life and being happy and adventurous. In retrospect that seems likelier.

I should take this moment to add that while I sympathize with Rose and wouldn't mind some continuing romantic angst, I'm not a Doctor/Rose shipper exactly. Maybe this is a subconscious way to shield myself from disappointment, since I already know she leaves after this season (though I don't know how yet). But I think it's also the effect of those awkward moments that make me think the Doctor's hearts aren't entirely in it for whatever reason.

Odd, isn't it, how you can be someone's fangirl/boy without shipping them with anyone, or a shipper of a pair without being a particular fangirl/boy of either person in the pair, or a megafan of an ensemble cast with or without having favorites or serious ships within it? Or maybe I'm just flexible that way. Some people do seem to ship everything they come across, or cannot ship if they don't lust after someone in the pair, or what have you.

Oops, there's me rambling again. Time for bed.

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sopdetly
Nov. 30th, 2007 06:51 am (UTC)
I ship Doctor/TARDIS. It is so the OTP, and you know it. XD
mollyringle
Nov. 30th, 2007 07:18 pm (UTC)
New meaning to the term "ship"
Hee hee. You know, you're onto something there. The Doctor losing a companion is very sad, but the Doctor losing the TARDIS is unthinkable; too horrible to be survived.

Trying not to think about how Doctor/TARDIS smut would work exactly...

("Does he still stroke bits of the TARDIS?")
dirae
Dec. 1st, 2007 01:09 pm (UTC)
The Continued List of Things I Never Thought I Would Type When Discussing Doctor Who
Doctor 5 was a huge stroker when it came to the TARDIS. Ten does to an extent but he is also a bit more rough with the machinery.




mollyringle
Dec. 5th, 2007 06:12 am (UTC)
Re: The Continued List of Things I Never Thought I Would Type When Discussing Doctor Who
I looked up that Ten/Five sketch on YouTube. Too cute. Liked the bit about the glasses only being there for show. Always did wonder...

Now did all the Doctors do this licking thing with foreign objects, or is that really just Ten's deal?
dirae
Dec. 5th, 2007 07:39 pm (UTC)
Re: The Continued List of Things I Never Thought I Would Type When Discussing Doctor Who
I can't remember any of the others doing the licking thing or the whole oral fixation bit... alas, each Doctor has his own quirks. :)

mollyringle
Dec. 5th, 2007 10:59 pm (UTC)
Re: The Continued List of Things I Never Thought I Would Type When Discussing Doctor Who
Hah! Love your icon. *laughs*

Btw, I was searching on "tenth doctor" as an LJ interest, and found there's a whole community for Ten/Five: leavethehaton. Naturally I thought of you...
dirae
Dec. 6th, 2007 12:03 am (UTC)
Re: The Continued List of Things I Never Thought I Would Type When Discussing Doctor Who
Oh my. I will have to check out that group...

I saw that icon right after we started this discussion. I had to have it. I blame you. :P
kalquessa
Nov. 30th, 2007 08:01 am (UTC)
I loved the Impossible Planet/Satan Pit two-parter. Doctor Who in scary outer space with some definite Lovecraftian flavor? Yes, please!

I was pretty blown away by Rose's exit. I knew she left, too, but for some reason I thought she had one more season, so it took my unprepared.

And I really like how this show just kind of skates around the question of romance. I like to be able to read it in when I want it and ignore it when I don't, and this show lets me do that, where most shows eventually cave and have a romance become canon. (I guess they kind of have to, don't they? Not too many shows can use "One party regenerates as a completely different bloke from time to time" as a way of keeping a relationship dynamic without having it pitch into full-on romance, can they?)
mollyringle
Dec. 1st, 2007 12:55 am (UTC)
It's just unfair how cute that man can look in a big red spacesuit.

I like the dodging-around-romance angle too. It gives us just enough to fuel all kinds of personal notions and of course fanfic--which, granted, doesn't necessarily need any help from canon, but it's nice to have it.
kali_kali
Nov. 30th, 2007 08:07 am (UTC)
I don't have any familiarity with Dr Who, so I can't comment on that part, but my shipping/fangirling seems to be fairly random.

My current favourite fandom (Heroes) I'm finding remarkably difficult to ship. I'm fangirling about the show as a whole, but shipping isn't coming easy (which, for a fangirl like me who typically ships everything that speaks, is difficult). The only "ship" that I have on the show right now is Mohinder/Matt, but that's because it is practically canon. Wouldn't have thought of it otherwise (and Matt doesn't float my boat anyways). While I greatly love Peter and Isaac and Mohinder, and wouldn't mind seeing any or all of the three involved in romantic liasons, shipping any of them together is difficult, since they so rarely interact. *sigh*
mollyringle
Dec. 1st, 2007 12:56 am (UTC)
I look forward to trying out Heroes when I run out of my current shows. It sounds such fun.

With both LOTR and Buffy I was mostly an ensemble cast fan, though with occasional ships. Seldom any heavy personal crushes like I've got for the current Doctor. Variety in my fandom experience--I like it!
kali_kali
Dec. 1st, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC)
Heroes is amazing. You definitely should! The beginning of the second season has been kind of iffy, but there are good plotlines to be found and it is definitely rebounding right now. But every show has its growing pains, so it happens.
dirae
Nov. 30th, 2007 12:41 pm (UTC)
Rose has won me over, but I much prefer the sexual tension/unattainable if you will to actual relationships because shows typically ruin the relationship for dramatic flair. X-Files had that sexual tension mastered.
mollyringle
Dec. 1st, 2007 01:00 am (UTC)
I have the same feelings toward Rose that you've described in the past: I see myself in her, what with the big ol' crush, and so it sort of shames me and makes me wince, but also makes me sympathetic.

But yeah, I do prefer when the show can keep the tension on a simmer without giving in to the consummation. X-Files did it great, giving in only at the end. And to use a lesser example, when Niles and Daphne got together on "Frasier," a lot of the appeal evaporated for me, which puzzled me at the time since I thought it was what I wanted. Now I guess I've accepted that such pairings are often best left to fanfic. ;)
modmerseygirl
Dec. 1st, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
*hugs K. and Molly* Fangirl solidarity! Heehee. :-)

I'm so happy you've been enjoying the show, Mol, and that you love Ten like we do. I must say that we all have exquisite taste in men. ;-)
mollyringle
Dec. 5th, 2007 06:13 am (UTC)
We sure do. I'm so glad I followed you gals' lead on this one. The Ten love, it's crippling in its strength. Dear dear.
dirae
Dec. 5th, 2007 07:41 pm (UTC)
Kevon makes fun of our schoolgirl Ten crush.
mollyringle
Dec. 5th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
I would too. It's quite absurd how soul-consuming this crush is, and how fast it came on. What the hell hit me? I'm almost annoyed with you gals for being so right about him. :)
dirae
Dec. 6th, 2007 12:00 am (UTC)
I know what you mean... one day I was watching the show and it just hit me. Ten is almost fictionally perfect...
mollyringle
Dec. 7th, 2007 10:45 pm (UTC)
He really is. I think this is why almost no other Tennant part, including being himself, quite seems to live up. How could it? When else is he going to possess 900 years of knowledge, charm, and dorkiness? :)

Speaking of which, I'm watching Casanova now, and...blech. It isn't his fault (unless he's the one who said, "Oh! Please, flatten the life out of my hair; and give me a freakin' rat-tail while you're at it."), but it's still a shame. I may have to do a whole post on why it isn't working for me. Of course, I'll still finish watching it, because it's him. *sighs at lameness of self*
dirae
Dec. 8th, 2007 01:06 pm (UTC)
I just watched "Secret Smile" and his character says to a woman "I've cum in that mouth". I don't need the Doctor uttering those words. Gah.

But, he still maintained those nuances that make me love his as the Doctor so it was just odd--like I was reading badly written smutty Ten fanfic. In a recent Graham Norton interview he was so completely "Ten" that I think the character is taking him over just a wee bit. I wonder how that will play out in "Hamlet"-- it may just work wonders.

You can catch some young Tennant action in "Takin' Over the Asylum" on YouTube. It is worth the watch.

As for "Casanova" -- blech is correct. I watched it before the TENnat-love hit me and it made me oddly uncomfortable because it is so poorly executed. As you said, it isn't his fault as an actor (in my opinion he more or less pulled a DiCaprio in Titanic--he phoned his performance in. He gives it his usual Tennant-ese treatment but this is a Russell T. Davis ego piece at its heart... which is the very thing the film lacks. The film is so effing glib.


mollyringle
Dec. 8th, 2007 11:00 pm (UTC)
Sounds like I got some Netflix and YouTube looking-up to do. Cool.

Now why on earth would you go to the trouble of watching Casanova *before* the TenNant love hit you? :) But yes, "no heart" is a good way to sum it up. Nobody at all has any chemistry or much physical appeal, despite a number of good and attractive actors being in it. You know it's a sad turn of events when, in the midst of all-consuming Tennant crushage, you still prefer Heath Ledger's Casanova. (That version managed a lot more of both comedy and sexiness without veering into crassness.)

and his character says to a woman "I've cum in that mouth". I don't need the Doctor uttering those words. Gah.

Eeek. Crass indeed. Right, the Doctor's sense of civilized decency is a large part of why we love him, so that's just too jarring. Oh well; we're allowed to like certain roles and not others. May even be the sign of a good actor. :)
frodosweetstuff
Dec. 5th, 2007 01:27 pm (UTC)
*coughs* I would like to use one of your fics for my advent calendar. Please let me know if that is okay with you!
mollyringle
Dec. 5th, 2007 04:10 pm (UTC)
Definitely! You needn't even ask. :) Been fun to glance in at those and see if I remember the stories...
frodosweetstuff
Dec. 10th, 2007 03:17 pm (UTC)
*nods* A walk down memory lane... :)
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