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Two internet lingo questions for you

Because I'm a total square and rely on you guys for my education...

1) For those knowledgeable about slash fiction: I've gathered that when describing the mood or behavior or condition of a character in the story, you can write it with an exclamation point--for instance, "wounded!Frodo" or "bitchy!Legolas" or "botanicalcliche!Sam." What I'd like to know is, why the exclamation point? What's it for? Where did this come from? I agree it sort of helps capture the defining characteristic nicely, but is there any other reason for its being there?

2) The -0r suffix in things like "r0x0r," "sux0r," "hax0r," etc. What's that about? I'm sure there's a perfectly obvious reason that I'm failing to see, so please, someone point it out for me. (Including, if possible, why it's supposedly entertaining to use a zero instead of an "o." Yes, yes, I've seen "porn" written "pr0n," but no, I don't quite get that either.)

There was some acronym relating to fan fiction that I couldn't figure out, as well, but now I can't remember what it was. Guess I'll ask later, if I can't find out on my own. Over the years I did manage, gradually, to figure out the meanings of "Mary Sue" (thank you, lush_rimbaud, for explaining that in the most memorable terms) :), "PWP," "BDSM," "yaoi," "AU," "MST," and "H/NC"; and also learned why certain people were called "shippers." (I even learned that I am a shipper, for some pairs.) But there is always more to learn; always.

P.S. 88 on the friends-of list now! Two weeks ago (i.e., before that parody) it was about 24. Also, over 280 comments on that little entry, and still climbing. I mention this only because I have never, ever, ever gotten this much feedback for any piece of writing in my life, and I'm stunned. Even if you added up all the feedback from everything I'd ever written up to that point, I don't think it would equal this. Now, if only I were getting paid for it... hehe. (Just kidding, Tolkien estate.)


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Dec. 28th, 2002 11:49 pm (UTC)
(1) The exclamation point is meant to signify a particular cliche or characteristic that you're attempting to write/talk about. I imagine that nobody really started it, and that it means the same thing as when you use a dash or quotation marks, but something about the exclamation point sticks in people's minds.

(2) . . . there is no logical explanation; somebody just started using a 0 instead of o and it took off from there. More often than not, it's used as a way of poking fun at "plebes"/"newbies" in a fandom, who use Netspeak to an alarmingly incomprehensible degree (i.e.: "lol" and the like), but it's also become fashionable in its own way.

Anyways, I never introduced myself but added you to my list after I read and adored your LOTRII parody piece, which I found through an embarrassingly long strand of people.
Dec. 29th, 2002 10:41 am (UTC)
Those explanations make sense. Glad I wasn't missing anything completely obvious, anyway.

And welcome, and pleased to meet you. Cheney, huh? I used to live in Seattle...I miss it...
Re: - citizenjess - Dec. 29th, 2002 01:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - ladykalessia - Jan. 2nd, 2003 11:01 pm (UTC) - Expand
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(no subject) - mollyringle - Jan. 3rd, 2003 10:08 am (UTC) - Expand
Dec. 29th, 2002 01:45 am (UTC)
I thought the '!' was used by people who had a poor understanding of grammer. Eep, maybe it was me who had a bad understanding of those I thought had a poor understanding of grammer. Y'know, one day I may even be able to answer a question like a normal person.
Looking at those other terms, I realise I don't know as much as fanfiction as I thought 0_0 I'm a crappy writer, which is why I usually only ever read it, instead of writing it.
Over 280 comments? You are *so* the next Cassie Claire. Congrats!
Dec. 29th, 2002 06:27 am (UTC)
Or "grammar", possibly.

The 0r thing is just part of an hilarious sub-culture of Being A Cretin. The whole using-numbers-in-words thing was, I believe, started by 1337 h4x0r$ who thought using such symbols instead of, for example, learning how to type, made them cool. Bizarrely, other people genuinely seem to have agreed with them. The horror, etc.

If you go to the right places (ie, those frequented by myself. Aha ha ha) you will find it used ironically. Pr0n refers to chatroom porn bots, or something.

I hope that was of no help at all. Rah!
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Dec. 29th, 2002 02:01 am (UTC)
from a friend's friends list . .
1) i use the ! and i picked it up from the boards at twop. i thought the way it looked was amusing. evil!willow, souled!spike, puffy!xander etc.

2) and i thought "pr0n" had something to do with bypassing filters. but i could be wrong. i generally am.

i need to stop posting random comments and go to bed.
Dec. 29th, 2002 10:56 am (UTC)
Re: from a friend's friends list . .
Ah, Television Without Pity--I read their 'Gilmore Girls' summaries sometimes. Too funny. Come to think of it, the woman who does those has a tendency to refer to Dean as CuteDean--but without an exclamation point. To her, CuteDean is just his name. :)
Re: from a friend's friends list . . - jennae - Dec. 29th, 2002 11:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
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linguisticz - jennae - Dec. 30th, 2002 08:43 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: linguisticz - mollyringle - Dec. 30th, 2002 10:07 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - ladykalessia - Jan. 2nd, 2003 11:12 pm (UTC) - Expand
Dec. 29th, 2002 06:52 am (UTC)
My 2c.
The -0r suffix, as well as the pr0n, etc, in my experience, comes originally from IRC script-kiddies and hackers who use leetspeak to such a startling degree that translating it becomes nigh impossible without experience. It bypasses filters, avoids censors, and can pass for a different language, allowing them to lord it over the uninitiated.
Somehow, "other people" decided it made -them- look cool, back when looking like a hacker was cool, and it's been slowly spreading. Just like words like 'sweatdrop' are making their way out of the realms of anime watchers into the real world.
Dec. 29th, 2002 10:57 am (UTC)
Re: My 2c.
The bypassing-filters thing does make sense, for pr0n. Hadn't thought of that. Danke.
Dec. 29th, 2002 08:41 am (UTC)
Others have answered the second, but I believe the first, though your meaning is correct, originated in Harry Potter slash fanfiction, a la stoner!draco et al.
Dec. 29th, 2002 01:36 pm (UTC)
This may be totally off the wall, but I originall saw the randomadjective!character thing as a reference to a fictional action figure. Like Action!Legolas, or something along those lines. Which of course moves on to a basic stereotype. . .yes.
Dec. 29th, 2002 04:22 pm (UTC)
On the characteristic!Person usage, I'm curious about how it developed too, though I have to disagree with the suggestion that it originated in Harry Potter. I know I saw it at least 5-6 years ago, or maybe earlier, in various other fandoms. I have a vague idea it is similar to some programming usage of the ! but I could be wrong. If my old and tired brain can come up with anything more useful later, I'll let you know.
Dec. 29th, 2002 08:48 pm (UTC)
I must agree.

I saw it in Buffy fandom as early as 98, and in general use around 99-2000.
Potter fandom didn't really take off until the movies came out.

I use it mostly in Star Trek (No bloody generation, voyager or what have you) as in Mirror!Spock, and Star Wars Trilogy (Action!Luke, Whiny!Broody!Luke, Sex!in!Boots!Han). One of the few who does in those fandoms.

It's far more common in Anime fandom, which is where I really acquired it (chat rooms are such a bad influence).

So unless you want the etymology of "Squick," I've said m'piece.

Re: Agree - mollyringle - Dec. 30th, 2002 12:51 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Agree - valarltd - Dec. 30th, 2002 08:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Agree - mollyringle - Dec. 30th, 2002 10:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
I can't say how it got into fandom, but - yduras - Dec. 31st, 2002 08:26 am (UTC) - Expand
Jan. 4th, 2003 11:19 pm (UTC)
Jan. 5th, 2003 02:11 pm (UTC)
Very educational. Thanks! :)
Jan. 11th, 2003 09:14 pm (UTC)
*don't mind me... just skimming through the rest of your posts after reading your hilarious TTT parody*

I first came across the (!) usage a long time ago, possibly back in 97-98, in the X-Files fandom and I've always assumed that it came from the names of dolls. Like, "Kung Fu! Scully". And it just grew from there.

And I don't know about the 1337 sp33|< question.. except that your parody r0x0r my s0x0r. :p

Jan. 12th, 2003 03:02 pm (UTC)
Teehee...why, thank you.

The (!) usage does seem very action-figure. A connection is certainly believable there. It then becomes amusing when people use it for not-very-active descriptions, such as Unconscious!Frodo.

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